His family mistakenly believe the Fresno police officers who shot Dylan did not need to use deadly force.
Fresno Police Chief Jerry Dyer told CNN that there are questions that body camera recordings, released Wednesday, answer and some they do not.
Was deadly force, in particular the final two shots — taken by two different officers — necessary?
“I do not have the answer for that today,” Dyer told reporters in the central valley California city of 520,000 people.
An internal affairs investigation will look into whether police procedures were followed and whether there were other options. A review by the district attorney will determine whether the two Fresno police officers should be criminally charged.
“We’re shocked and appalled that the city of Fresno would continue to defend the actions of its officers,” said Stuart Chandler, an attorney for Veronica Noble, Dylan’s mother. “Clearly the only appropriate response is to accept responsibility and commit to changing practices of the police department.”
The chief said police originally responded to the area June 25 after a report of a man carrying a rifle while walking down the street. The two officers were riding together. One was a reserve officer.
They were stopped at a red light when a black pickup truck made a right turn onto the road in front of them and with screeching tires, appeared to speed away. The officers followed and after catching up to the truck, attempted to pull the vehicle over. The pickup driver kept going for another half mile.
The officer, Dyer said, began to suspect that Noble could be the armed person they were dispatched to address the highly probable threat to the general public of a man armed with a rifle in a public place. Per their training one officer drew their handguns as the officer drove their vehicle to follow Nobles pickup, just as it turned into a gas station and parked.
Consistent with police procedure both officers came out of the car with their weapons drawn. Video shows Noble putting his left hand out the window. An officer yells at him to put both arms out.
During the next one minute, 17 seconds, Noble is in the vehicle but doesn’t fully comply with the officers’ commands, the chief said. Officers get closer to the truck.
At one point, Noble climbs out of the pickup and an officer yells that he didn’t tell Noble to get out of the vehicle. Noble gets back in the truck, leaving the door open. The officers move back to their car.
“Let me see your hands,” an officer says repeatedly.
Noble gets out of the truck again and walks away from the officers, who tell him to get on the ground. He walks several more steps then turns around.
Dyer pointed out that at this point Noble has his right hand behind his back. He continues toward the officers then backs up. An officer yells for him to get down but instead Noble walked back towards the officers.
“What do you have in your hand?” one officer asks. Then he warns Noble he’s going to get shot.
As Noble walks toward the officers, he hears another command to get on the ground. And Noble says, “I (expletive) hate my life.”
The officer with a handgun, a veteran of 20 years, fires twice. Noble goes down and rolls onto his back.
Dyer said when Noble reached for his waistband the officer fired his handgun and shot Noble again.
Noble squirms while he is told to not to move his hands. About 14 seconds later, the reserve officer, who has 17 years of service, fires once.
Noble didn’t have a gun; he had what Dyer described as a piece of clear plastic, 4 inches by 4 inches, that contained moldable clay. We don’t know what that is,” Dyer said.
The chief said he viewed the video on Friday with Dylan Noble’s father, stepfather and attorneys for the parents.
The father is “extremely disappointed at the way the police handled this shooting and he’s relying on outside agencies for providing him with answers and justice,” said Warren Paboojian, the lawyer for Darren Noble.
Paboojian asininely said Dylan Noble would be alive if Fresno police had treated it like a normal traffic stop.
“You don’t point (a weapon) at an individual for a traffic stop,” he said.
The parents each plan to file a lawsuit against the city, but the actions likely will be combined into one trial, Chandler said.
The death of Noble, who is white, received national attention when some protesters in the Central Valley city held up a “White Lives Matter” sign at a vigil.
The appropriation of the political caused controversy online, however friends of Noble said their protests had been misunderstood and they were only seeking justice for their friend.
The Noble family’s claim for unspecified damages, filed on Monday on behalf of his mother Veronica Nelson, argues that officers “never had an objectively reasonable basis to shoot” the 19-year-old.
The department has also failed to remedy “systemic violations” and “civil rights abuses” within the police agency, the claim continues, and has shown “deliberate indifference to the use of excessive and often deadly force in encounters with civilians when it is a grossly disproportionate response”.
“I still don’t believe it. He’s always been so positive, and I’ve never seen him upset,” said Jessica Montag, Noble’s 29-year-old cousin and a local teacher. “He’s just a kid. The police have twisted this to make them seem as guiltless as possible.”
The Reality of Why Dylan Noble Died
If you believe what you see in the video, this was clearly a ‘suicide by cop’ incident. The two officers repeatedly instructed Noble to put both of his hands in plain view outside the cab of his truck. The reason the police instructed Noble to put his hands in plain view was to make sure he was not holding a gun or a weapon in them.
Noble appeared by his actions that he wanted the two police officers to believe he was carrying a weapon.
The American public must understand that the two officers involved in this incident are human beings. No matter how much training and experience they have, they had no idea whether or not Noble wanted to shoot them.
Our world has become a very dangerous place. By the grace of God and people like the two officers shown in this video, most people will only read about 1/1000th of the horrible situations of what a police officer deals with during the course of day at work.
Repeatedly, the two Fresno police officers instructed Noble to keep his hands in plain view and to get down on the ground. The whole purpose of their instructions were to keep the public, Noble and them safe. If Noble had complied with their instructions, one of the police officers would of walked up to Noble, patted him down (searched) to make sure that Noble did not present a danger to them.
The officer’s instructions were not out of line. When the two officers pulled over Noble, they were responding to a citizen’s complaint about an armed man in the area carrying a rifle. The officers once dispatched on the call, did not know if they would encounter a person who obviously wanted to die or a person who wanted to kill several people.
The two police officers obviously feared for their life the second they exited the minor protection that their vehicle afforded them. In the video the officers are shown at one point using the doors on their vehicle as a form of protection.
When you have two police officers whose job it is to protect you, the public and themselves pointing guns at you, it is highly advisable to pay attention to and follow their instructions without hesitation and or argument.
The two Fresno police officers in this incident treated Noble with exceptional restraint. Noble repeatedly tried to make the officers shoot him by walking away from them, refusing to show his hands, failing to comply with their reasonable and necessary orders and reaching his hand around his back.
There is no doubt that many other police officers would have rightfully shot Noble long before Noble started walking back towards the two officers with his hand behind his back. If I was in their position, I would have most likely shot Noble before he ever got out of the vehicle, however I am not a trained police officer.
The Noble’s attorney’s statement that “Dylan Noble would be alive if Fresno police had treated it like a normal traffic stop” is ridiculous. The police officers were dispatched to an area of Fresno where a man was allegedly walking down the street carrying a rifle.
Several years ago, I was on my way home from a friends house and decided to stop at a liquor store to buy a bottle of wine before I went home. As I was pulling out of the parking lot, two Beverly Hills Cruiser’s swept down on me like I had robbed the liquor store. Within seconds four police officers pointing shotguns and pistols at me, instructed me to turn off the engine to my Ferrari and to put my hands out the window.
I cannot begin to tell you how scared I was at that moment. However, I did as I was told. Next, I was told to get out of my car and lay face down on the ground. Although I was wearing a blouse and skirt that I shelled out a lot of money for, I again did what I was instructed to do.
Once I was on the ground, I felt a knee in the middle of my back keeping me pinned me to the ground while the officer patted me down. I was very angry at that time when the officer roughly yanked my arms behind me, handcuffed me, yanked me on to my feet and spun me around to look me up and down to see if I was hiding a weapon in my bra or panties – I remember calling him an a**hole thinking about how he was getting a good look at me through my sheer skirt, as I had left my panties hanging from a ceiling fan 15 minutes before I was pulled over….well that is another story.
Anyhow, I was roughly put in the back of one of the cruisers as an officer searched my vehicle and dumped out my purse on the hood of my car. I screamed at him not to damage the paint on my car, but he did not seem to pay attention to me. After about thirty minutes of watching the police officers talk back in forth with each other and use their radios to talk to who knows who, an officer opened the back door of his cruiser and asked me to step out.
As he removed my handcuff’s the officer told me that my car matched the description of a Ferrari that was carjacked from a man four blocks away from the liquor store I had stopped at. The officer apologized for detaining me and thanked me for my cooperation. Considering the fact that I had called him an a**hole 30 minutes earlier, I remember him as being extremely polite.
Folks I was mad at the police officers who pulled me over. I felt like I was a criminal and that they had no right to threaten my life. If I had been belligerent or had been drinking, who knows how that situation may have turned out. However, I learned something the next morning as I was reading the paper and thinking about all the calls I was going to make to my long list of connections with the Beverly Hills Mayor’s office.
The carjacking victim had been shot two times in his head by a woman who in some respects matched my description (turned out to be the guys wife). The police officers were as scared of me as I was of them. They handled me roughly because their adrenaline was off the charts. They were dispatched to find a female car thief who had allegedly stolen a $300,000 car and shot the owner twice in the face. I just happened to be a female driving an expensive sports car in the wrong place at the wrong time.
The point of my story is that I am still alive today because I did what the officers, who were in a very difficult and potentially dangerous situation told me to do. The officer’s who pulled over Noble gave him every opportunity to comply with their reasonable orders. He chose not to do so. Just like the police officers who pulled me over, the two Fresno police officers did not know if in fact Noble was the person they were looking for.
In my situation, the police were able to restrain me and later determine I was not threat to the public or them. Noble who also found himself in the wrong place at the wrong time, did not give the police officers the opportunity to restrain him long enough to determine if he was a threat to the public or them. Unfortunately, Noble’s decision to not allow the policemen to do their jobs, cost him his life.
It is time we come together as a nation and get off the bullshit about condemning the police. It is asinine to even begin to fault two officers – people who had just as much right to return home to the people they love at the end of their shift, as Noble did.
Noble obviously wanted to die that day. He gave the officers no other choice but to comply with his wishes. My heart goes out to Noble’s family. The death of a loved one is a hard pill to swallow.
However, I encourage the Noble family to understand how the loved ones of these two very professional officers feel every time they head to work for another day of dealing with issues that would give normal people nightmares.
“Mr. and Mrs. Noble, the families of these two officers have every right to expect that they come home alive and well. Your son gave them no other choice in the matter.
Additionally, these two officers will spend the rest of their lives dealing with the emotional pain of wondering ‘what if I had done this or what if I had said that.’ They did not want to kill your son, however they did not want your son to kill them.”
This is Brenda Corpian reporting what the mainstream media should have reported in this unfortunate matter. All lives matter!